ABOUT US

Dear reader,

This blog was created in 2009 for residents of North Toronto (Ontario, Canada), who are concerned about the health effects of constant commercial aviation noise, as a result of arriving/departing Pearson airport traffic, that transits the skies above our neighbourhoods. Effectively, this impacts us inside and outside our homes, our neighbourhoods, and our enjoyment of where we live. The situation has deteriorated and there has been insufficient public consultation by NAV CANADA and Pearson Airport (GTAA) to remedy this problem, clearly state there is a problem, and engage the appropriate ratepayers’ groups to develop a workable and fair solution. The aircraft need to fly over Toronto, but why concentrate the noise over select neighbourhoods instead of working with city planners and distribute the noise more equitably? All we are asking for is to be treated fairly and to date, this has not been the case.

TANG Briefing Notes Media Version
Microsoft PowerPoint – TANG JUNE-2014 PPT REV-11
TANG – communication points

Geography
The geographic focus of this site originally covered boundaries of Avenue Rd. to the west, Laird Dr./Leslie St. to the east, York Mills Rd. to the north, and St. Clair Ave. to the south.
Since changes made by NAV CANADA Feb. 9th 2012 to the downwind leg of the approach path to runway 24 (Pearson’s “south complex”), resulting in a greater concentration of flight traffic over specific neighbourhoods, the geographic coverage now includes: Spadina Rd. to the west, St. Clair Ave. to the south, York Mills Rd. to the north, and Leslie Ave. to the east.

Political Boundaries and contacts (local/federal):

Ward 16 – Karen Stintz: councillor_stintz@toronto.ca
Eglinton-Lawrence: joe.oliver.c1@parl.gc.ca

Ward 21 – Joe Mihevc: councillor_mihevc@toronto.ca
Ward 22 – Josh Matlow: councillor_matlow@toronto.ca
St. Pauls: carolyn.bennett@parl.gc.ca

Ward 25 – Jaye Robinson: councillor_robinson@toronto.ca
Ward 26 – John Parker: councillor_parker@toronto.ca
Don Valley West: john.carmichael@parl.ca

Update: Since the February 9, 2012 NAV CANADA airspace redesign, the following new communities have indicated noise impacts as a result of these changes:

- Forest Hill, Casa Loma, Bathurst/St. Clair, Wychwood, North/South Leaside (Brentcliffe/Eglinton, Bayview/Parkhurst).
Note: Davisville Village has always been impacted, but now much worse, like other communities.

Our Name:  Previously, this blog was referred to as North Toronto Aviation Noise. Since late 2012, the T.A.N.G. residents group has formed, known as “Toronto Aviation Noise Group”, comprised of ratepayer representation from

  • Leaside Property Owners Association – LPOA
  • South Eglinton Residents’ and Ratepayers’ Association – SERRA
  • Oriole Park Association – OPA.

This residents’ organisation is growing in response to the unjust noise brought on by growth in Pearson airport business and NAV CANADA’s decision to concentrate traffic over our neighbourhoods at all hours of the day and night, causing us great concerns for health and property enjoyment. We need more ratepayer associations and residents taking an active part in protecting Toronto resident’s health, property enjoyment, and neighbourhood enjoyment, against the noise now conveyed upon us by NAV CANADA, without resident or elected representative consultation. This has been a repeat pattern of NAV CANADA in British Columbia for Richmond/Surrey B.C. in 2007.

History:  Toronto Pearson development and aviation noise chronology

Focus: Our initial focus for awareness covers residents in the following ratepayer groups:

  • Bedford Park Rate Payers Association
  • Lawrence Park Rate Payers Association – LPRA
  • Sherwood Park Residents’ Association – SPRA
  • South Eglinton Residents’ and Ratepayers’ Association – SERRA
  • Teddington Park Residents’ Association
  • York Mills Rate Ratepayers’ Association

Update: The following ratepayer groups have been added to the areas of resident concerns

  • Avenue Road and Eglinton Community Association – ARECA
  • Eglinton Park Residents’ Association – EPRA
  • Leaside Property Owners’ Association – LPOA
  • Oriole Park Association – OPA
  • South Hill District Home Owners’ Association
  • Forest Hill Homeowners’ Association
  • Casa Loma Ratepayers Association

Correspondence
Please send all posts to this site. The posts will be reviewed and the writer will be contacted to seek permission to include interested persons on a distribution list, soley for the purpose of communicating aviation noise issue affecting our neighbourhoods.

Alternatively, you may write directly to: gr392.planes@gmail.com

Helping out: t.a.n.g.help.now@gmail.com
* canvassing, flyer distribution, campaigning residents’/neighbours’ awareness for this issue

Thank you for your support.

46 responses to “ABOUT US

  1. Depending on the wind direction the area around Avenue/Eglinton is being subjected to the noise from air craft flying at or close to the 3000 ft limit. When the wind is from the West aircraft are flying almost every 90 seconds. This is a large increase from just 2-3 years ago as you correctly indicate on your web site.

    What is underway to address this issue and what can I do to help beyond reporting all noisy incidents to the GTAA?

    Some planes are so low you can read the logo on the tail plane and markings on the undercarriage yet are reported by the GTAA on my complaint as still flying at 3100 ft.

    • I think we shouldn’t play NAV Canada’s game about arguing if a plane was flying above or below 3,000 feet. The problem is that we can hear them and they are disturbing our quality of life. They need to come up with a solution. If they can’t raise the level the planes are flying at, then they need to find another solution. We want solutions rather than just being ignored.

      • I agree. You have raised a very valid point. I now report to the GTAA using their electronic format all planes which I find noisy regardless of height. This includes planes at night.

        Incidentally my experience with Transport Canada (S. O’Connor) has been unhelpful. On receipt of my noise complaint May 10 2012 they asked for the Registration # of the plane involved. Their response also implied that Transport Canada relies on the Carriers to report to them any infractions. I then asked May 11 2012 how they determined that Carriers were in fact reporting infractions. No reply has been received to date.

      • Wow – how could they possibly expect anyone to have the registration # of a noisy plane? They just hope people will get worn down and stop complaining. I hope you have also written to your member of parliament, signed the petition on this site, and can get as many of your neighbours to do so as possible as well :)

  2. Hello,

    I’m a producer with CBC Radio and am interested in speaking to you about this. Could you please contact me when you get this? Thanks.

    • To the CBC Radio Producer:

      As per your request above which has just arrived in my e-mail. I note your posting is dated March 2012

      Loudon Young 416 480 1828

  3. Sabine Koy-Smith o

    Unfortunately Leslie Street is not the most easterly corridor. We are between Leslie and Don Mills and the airplane traffic does not only go above our house but the airplanes turn directly above us towards the north. All this in minute-intervals.

  4. Just wondering if Josh Matlow has had anything to share since his successful motion to meet with NAV Canada and other related parties about the air traffic noise problem.

  5. EAST YORK is being affected by this as well. I live by Coxwell and O’Connor and there are many homes that are being torn down and rebuilt to million dollar properties. It is disconcerting to be listening to low flying jet planes throughout the evening until the early hours of the morning. Noise pollution is a quailty of life issue and there are large planes flying over many parts of East York on a regular basis. When I contacted the GTAA I was given an explantion that jets can sometimes opt to fly over Lake Ontario and to turns even outside of designated flight paths if there is sky space available. I would like to join your group . I live in Ward 29. I will send your link to Peter Tabuns our MP. Thank you, Maija Kimens

    • Some of the planes flying over East York are from the island Airport. The plane noise is really bad these days over the Beach and East York because of this. If they add jets to the airport, not only will the noise increase, but so will the flight numbers. Please sign the on-line petition to stop jets and tell everyone you know. thanks:http://www.nojetsto.ca/

  6. Attention Blog Moderator , please note I made an error in my email info and corrected it for your attention. Thank you. I would like to join your group so please contact me with information on how I can become more involved.
    Thank you, Maija

  7. Hi Maija Kimens,

    I have lived in Mid town TO since 1978 and the aircraft noise problem has got steadily worse especially over the last few years. I contacted Transport Canada last year and they responded that they could do nothing without the specific aircraft ID number. Clearly they are useless. I can only suggest that you report to the GTAA using their computerized on-line form any aircraft you find unusually noisy. This is what I am doing. Aircraft are now flying so low that you can read the tail insignia as to whether WJA or AC airline. Hopefully if enough reports are made then action will eventually be taken. However I am not optimistic. It seems no part of the City is free from aircraft noise from the waterfront to North York.

    Loudon Young

  8. I agree – the flights are too low, too loud, and too often. It is really important to contact the http://www.torontopearson.com/en/noisecomplaint/# site and register a noise complaint whenever the flights are either too low, too loud, or too often (sorry to be repetitive). I typically register a complaint once a week. They are tracking the complaints. At this stage NAV Canada is saying they aren’t getting very many complaints (although they did note an increase last year) – so we have to raise awareness and get more people registering complaints on an on-going basis.

    Get your neighbours to register complaints as well. Put the url on your facebook account if you have one. T.A.N.G. has also started a new petition (both a paper version and an on-line version). Josh Matlow and Carolyn Bennett have both signed the paper version. Please get anyone in your household 18 or over to sign our petition: http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/nav-canada-noise-over-toronto. Contact your neighbours, friends, associates on facebook and get them to sign the petition.

    While John Carmichael and Carolyn Bennett are aware of this problem, it helps if they get either emails or letters outlining your concern. So send your federal politician a letter. This is going to require a political solution. Step 1 is providing our politicians with ammunition to force change – we need the numbers.

    One of the TANG members is going to set up a twitter account – probably incorporating the Toronto Aviation Noise Group name. So if you have a twitter account, be on the look out.

    • I signed your petition. I was at Bayview and Eglinton today (I live in Beach) and I noticed that the planes are low and veru noisy. This is what is happening in the Beach from the Island Airport as well as from Pearson. When my neighbours and I have filed noise complaints with Toronto Port Authority re Island Airport or with NAV re Pearson planes, we get no help!

  9. If you happen to have your phone with you and you see a very low flying plane, take a photo and post it (date and time) on our twitter account – @TOPlaneNoise.

  10. Did you hear that Pearson has gotten approval to increase night flights? They can go up to 45 flights by 2014 (an increase of 10). Meanwhile Heathrow Airport is restricted to 16 night flights and Sydney (Australia) to 9. Something is very wrong.

  11. hill copywriting

    Between 5:10am and 5:50am July 30th at least 3 planes were loud and low over Spadina/St Clair Area (Forest Hill Village). As usual I can’t get back to sleep and am dog-tired the rest of the day. This seems unacceptable. And can you believe on the airport website the given link within the site for noise complaints goes to a blank page — http://www.torontopearson.com/en/noisequestionsandanswers/## — they obviously don’t care, so is there anything else we citizens can do to stop this abuse of the public by corporate/gov’t entities, other than the above? Did anything come of the CBC enquiry btw?

    • Hello,

      Just a few follow-up items to your posting. The actual noise complaint page we link to on the GTAA web site is located at the bottom selection of their menu. It was easier before their web site was modified to link directly to the complaint form.

      With respect to what actions the citizens can take…write your local MP, write the minister of transport, sign our online petition, and stay engaged on this issue through this site as we try to bring a workable solution with our local MPs – John Carmichael and Carolyn Bennett, and NAV CANADA.

      Regarding the CBC interest, there was no follow-up after we made repeated inquiries about setting up for an interview.

      I will pass along your e-mail account so our vice-chair may contact you for any further follow-up items.

      Sincerely,

      Greg Russell
      T.A.N.G. member.

    • Hi: I hope you got the noise complaint link working – there is one on our TANG site and here it is as well http://www.torontopearson.com/en/contactus/## I have bookmarked this site and usually try to make one complaint a week (depending on time). I hope you’ve also signed our on-line petition. You’ll see the tab on the top of the page. Anyone in your household over 18 can sign the petition. Get your friends and neighbours to sign as well – send them the email link. We are trying for a meeting with the politicians and members of NavCanada and the GTAA for the fall and we need as many signatures as possible. NavCanada tracks the number of noise complaints each month, as well as the number of different individuals who lodge a complaint, and they trace the plane back to the runway. So if they can see that runway 23 or 24 gets most of the complaints that puts us in a stronger position to say that the new route isn’t working. I believe we get most of our flights over St. Pauls from runway 23 and 24 but I sent a noise complaint in the other day to which I requested a reply because I also wonder if we are getting runway 33 as well.

      We share your pain! The concentrated flight path is not working. Also they need to start restricted night flights earlier. Please get as many people as you can to lodge regular noise complaints and sign our petition.

  12. I live in the Christie Pits area, which has also been badly affected by the new changes. About a year ago I came across a post on the web by someone who worked at Pearson. He claimed that the consultation process was a sham- something I think we all realize- but more interestingly, that Air Canada buys the noisest jets because they are cheaper. I have noticed that those jets with the high pitched screaming sound are Air Canada. More than this, there is the question of why the jets are taking this circuitous route over the central city and not coming off the lake and going directly up the Don Valley corridor. The route seems designed to maximize noise irritation, or perhaps, it is to avoid the Island airport flight space. If this is the case we have common cause with those who live on Toronto Isalnd.

    • Hello David,

      Thank you for your interest and comments on this issue. We can not comment on the consultation process details other than it needed to be greatly expanded and key details/impacts on the changes were not understood by residents until after implementation. In addition, we would not be able to correlate which carrier has louder aircraft than others or which flight is exhibiting louder flight characteristics than others – this data is simply not available.

      Arrival flight routing over Toronto is designed/implemented by NAV CANADA. We are not aware of any particular land use considerations within the design criteria, other than the desire to optimise the routing, which has had a negative effect on residents of Toronto.

      I will forward your interest/comments to our Vice-Chair and she will be able to follow-up with you if you wish.

      Sincerely,

      Greg Russell
      T.A.N.G. member.

  13. Hello Greg
    If you look at the arrival route on the NAV Canada website for runways 23/24 the planes come in at the western end of Toronto, fly across the central city to make a big arc to land at Pearson. The question obviously arises why they can’t come off the lake at a more easterly point, fly up the Don Valley (an existing noise corridor anyways) and do a half turn. This route would greatly decrease the amount of noise irritation. I was in contact with a NAV Canada engineer and asked this question directly, and asked as well whether it was necessary to fly around the Island airspace. The engineer refused to answer either question- which you have to admit is in itself very suspicious.

    Regards
    David Kelly

  14. I live near Bloor and Spadina, and have noticed a lot of airplane noise since I moved in in the spring. The noise sounds to me like descent noise, and is a high pitched whine. It is definitely annoying, and can be surprisingly loud.

    • Why they want to fly planes over densely populated downtown and midtown areas is beyond me. We can only continue to complain. Write to your federal politican and register noise complaints with Pearson. A link to the site is available in this site. They must publish the complaint numbers. If we can show a sustained increase in the complaints they are more likely to adjust the flight path in the next review.

      • I urge everyone to report all noisy flights as per Ms Plumb’s comment. According to Transport Canada (Joseph Szwalek) planes can fly as low as 1000ft above built up areas even if just an overflight. This is beyond my understanding why this level is permitted especially for overflights. I suspect that doubling the allowable height would reduce noise by four times. However I am not an accoustic specialist.

  15. I live in the Underhill/Cassandra area of the city and have been affected by the recent increase in noise from considerably more frequent low level fly-overs in my area.

    I have tried contacting my both Federal MP (Joe Daniel) and my Metro Councillor (Denzil Minnan-Wong) about the changes in flight paths and the the resulting increase in noise levels.

    Unfortunately, I have not been afforded the courtesy of a detailed reply from either, even though both representatives have been contacted twice by me in writing.

    If I recall correctly, there was a motion made at City Council last October (2012) to look into the impact of the the flight path changes and report back.

    Does anyone know if this report was ever completed ? Secondly, what sort of interest levels are other constituents receiving from their Federal and Municipal representatives about this issue?

    TIA

  16. 4AM SUNDAY DEC 8TH 2013

    4AM! Just woken up by a plane roaring overhead. I live in the St. Clair Wychwood area. My house was literally shaking with vibrations. I started browsing online because this “Pearson Alarm Clock Thing” has been happening more and more to me. Is it just me, or are others getting woken up? Is it just me, or are there more planes making more noise these days?

    Sincerely,
    Sleepless in Wychwood.

    • Just to add to Sally Plumb’s reply. It is also important that you use the on line GTAA noise reporting form. There are more planes in the air than a few years ago but more importantly they seem to be flying at lower elevations over residential areas. So low in fact that frequently type of plane and airline insignia can be identified.

  17. Hello, I live in Oakville. Nav Canada changed routes in Jan 2012. Large planes are flying over my house every few minutes, day and night. You can clearly see which airlines fly above my house. The noise is unbearable. Some people have decided to move because of the noise. You cannot open your windows in the summer. You can sit outside and have a conversation. I have complained to Nav Canada a few times – no response. To the Minister of Transport who comes from Oakville and who I voted for – no reply. I have complained to local councillors. No reply. Do not move to Oakville people. This town should now be called Planeville. If you want to buy a house and move to a small town where you can start your family and raise your children in – stay away from Planeville (Oakville).

    • Re the person from Oakville – don’t give up on the complaints. Make those noise complaints using the link on the Pearson website (the link is also provided in this site). They must publish the complaints monthly and they do track them back to runway. Keep writing those letters to the politicians. We need to remain a thorn in their sides. We are not going away.

  18. No it isn’t just you. Over 3,000 people have signed our petition (on-line + the paper version where we went door to door). If you haven’t signed the on-line version please use the link available on this site. The next thing you need to do is write a letter to Carolyn Bennett. We need her to keep getting complaints from constituents. Get your neighbours to sign the on-line petition as well. Perhaps they also will send a letter to Carolyn Bennett. This is a problem which residents need to keep plugging away at. The Minister of Transportation (Lisa Raitt) has met with us and is aware of the situation. Wouldn’t hurt to remind her that there are lots of unhappy residents.

  19. Interesting article in the Toronto Star today (IN3)” Millennials really live a different way”. While the article focused on cars, Enrique Penalosa’s (mayor of Bogota from 1998 to 2000) quote can be easily adapted to encompass our problems with planes over residential neighbourhoods. “The 20th century will be remembered as an unfortunate one for urban history, as we created habitats far more conducive to the movement of planes and motor vehicles than to human well-being”. Later in the same article Enrique alludes to the need for creating an urban infrastructure where public good truly prevails over private interest. Wish we had a mayor like that!!!!

  20. I live just south of the Mount Pleasant cemetery. I have not really noticed the planes overhead until the last two months. They seem to be flying constantly overhead and much lower than in the warmer months. Is it possible they adjust the flight paths for the winter months where everyone is indoors so they don’t notice the noise as much?. Would hate to see this action in the spring.

    • Hello Marianne,

      We (T.A.N.G.) are not aware that this issue is also affecting Moore Park area until you wrote us. Please write to me directly “gr392.planes@gmail.com” so I may hear further detail of the noise issue affecting your neighbourhood. We continue to receive aviation noise complaints from residents across many areas of the city, as well as Oakville, where that area is experiencing a lot of aviation noise issues due to Pearson operations and NAV CANADA arrival path routing changes. Mid-town Toronto has certainly been enduring much more aviation noise as a result of Pearson operations (arrivals) and NAV CANADA changes since Feb. 2012.

      Thank you.

      Greg Russell
      T.A.N.G.

  21. I live in Davisville, between Mount Pleasant and Bayview and the air traffic is becoming unbearable with plane’s and helicopters flying at low altitudes every 10-15 minutes in low traffic times and every 5 mins in high traffic times. I have written to Ward 22. What else can I do?
    Thank you.

    • Julie – thanks for writing. We suggest ensuring that you write Councillor Matlow and Carolyn Bennett, cc’ing John Carmichael – who has been very active on this file as a member of the sitting government. This issue will be briefly discussed at the South Eglinton Ratepayers’ and Residents’ Association (SERRA) Annual General Meeting (AGM) May 14, at Manor Rd. church. That meeting is scheduled between 7:00 and 09:00 p.m. Councillor Matlow will be present at that meeting, if you need an in-person discussion.

      Greg Russell
      SERRA President and T.A.N.G. technical advisor

    • Hi Julie: you need to write to Carolyn Bennett. Then you need to be registering noise complaints through the noise complaint link at Pearson Airport. They have to publish on a monthly basis the number of complaints received (by runway) and by the number of different people. The more people registering regular complaints the better. The more new people even better. You’ll see a link on the TANG website to Pearson noise complaints but it is very easy to just google.

  22. Marc Willoughby

    The situation over Mt.Pleasant/Eglinton is untenable. Extremely low altitude, banking, screaming, passenger jets every 90 seconds into the wee hours of the morning. I send complaints to Pearson almost nightly. The aircraft must be distributed more evenly across the city and/or limited entirely.
    What is Dr.Carolyn Bennet doing about this?

    • Our M.P. is sympathetic but she isn’t in power. I’ve suggested that she team up with her provincial counterpart (Dr. Hoskins) and the Toronto Medical Officer of Health (Dr. David McKeown) to raise the profile on this issue. She hasn’t responded so far. Write to her though and let her know that you find the situation unfair. The concentration of the flight path has resulted in our area carrying an unfair proportion of the arrival traffic for Pearson. We believe the flight path needs to be dispersed. When you register your next complaint to Pearson ask them to provide comparison data. How many planes went over your home last month compared to the same month in 2011 before the flight changed happened (may as well get them working). Also, we believe we need to start increasing the heat on our minister of transportation, Lisa Raitt. lisa.raitt@parl.gc.ca. She needs to hear from more of us.

      I’m not sure if it is CENAC or NAVCanada who must publish the complaints on a monthly basis, but they must publish. It helps if the complaints come from different people. They tend to discount multiple complaints by the same person – although I think they need to take them seriously as it shows the affect on people of cumulative noise intrusion. Can you get your neighbours to also go online and register a noise complaint at least once a month?

      On the 25th CENAC is having their periodic meeting and the public are welcome to attend. We are hoping that a number of residents will “storm” this meeting to complain. If you can get off early on Wednesday and can get yourself to the airport, we really do need numbers. The contact details are below – the url will give the address. The meeting is at 4 p.m.

      Community Environment & Noise Advisory Committee …
      http://www.chrisfonseca.ca/…/community-environment-noise-advisory-commit...
      All CENAC meetings are held at 4PM at: … Details about CENAC. June 25, 2014

      It would be great if you and any of your neighbours could attend this meeting on June 25th.

  23. The reason why these planes are flying in a horseshoe route over midtown Toronto is because of the island airport. In the past the planes could circle over the open water of Lake Ontario and then fly in a much more direct path up the Don Valley corridor to turn again towards Pearson. The island airspace is now in the way and so we have our present dilemma. This is something that Nav Canada and the Port Authority do not want to be common knowledge. The only solution to our problem- which would give relief to at least a majority of the people now suffering- is to eliminate the island airport and free up that airspace. Of course, this would be an inconvenience to some people. The tragedy of the commons continues.

  24. Hi David: if you “tweet” it would be good if you could make a comment and use our hashtag as well @FairFlightPath We want to get “traffic” happening on this issue. Carolyn Bennett is now a follower of this link.

  25. It has gotten worse since 2012. Now every 1 minute 3 low altitude loud noise jet planes fly over our houses. Starts at 4 am and does not stop till 12midnight.

  26. A big thank you for your article.Thanks Again. Great. bkeffgebaeab

  27. Hi All,
    We recently moved to a house between Yonge and Avenue Road about 5 blocks north of Lawrence. We have constant plane noise which begins every morning at 6:20am and stops approximately 12:20am.

  28. Lorraine Dennis

    Glad to find this page. Toronto residents…. you aren’t alone. The planes are now flying in very low over Milton (40 km west of the airport). Toronto airport won’t take noise complaints from us because we are outside the 10 nautical mile limit. I’ve been referred to the Ministry of Transportation, Lisa Raitt’s office and received a phone call back from her secretary Veronica Gerson. Ms. Raitt is meeting with Nav Canada in September she told me and had asked for photos, “proof” of the planes. I keep sending her videos cause it includes sound.

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